Monday, April 10, 2006

Sriram and Sivananda Lahiri..

Naan Sriram-oda pesi erandu vaaram aiduchu..I was trying to get hold of him for the past 2 days, but couldnt..paiyan romba busy considering the fact that millions of dollars and the future of IEEE 802.16 (WiMax) are riding on his head!!..he was shuffling between South Korea, Chennai and Bangalore..So innaiku avan bangalore-la thaan irupanu theriyum..So called him up..It was so much fun talking to him..When I called him up, it was almost 10:00 pm..Oru one hour pesi irupom..Our discussion ranged from family, love, kalyanam, iyer, vadamal, ashtashasthram, PhD, physics, biology, Artificial intelligence, jobs at google, REC Trichy, food, renting properties in bangalore (Ref:Viji :P), and then finally into our favourite topic spirituality..

Avan solitu irunthan - that nowdays he doesnt think of God that much and he wants to start praying properly again..I was telling him that the same thing is happening with me, and atleast he is not able to pray since he is very busy..Iravu pagalnu velai he doesnt have time to pray..moreover, he has mastered the Rudram, Chamakam, Vishnu Sahasranamam and the Taittrya Upanishads and currently doing Kriya Yoga..naama appadiya - I am virtually free - and still I dont pray with full concentration..I have become so lazy..Even though I have mastered the Sudharshana Kriya through the Art of Living course - I stopped it now..Reason - laziness!

So Sriram told me something beautiful - which I wanted to share with u all..He told me that there are three types of devotion..

1) One type of devotion is like the cat and the kitten, where the young kitten (soul) is totally dependent on its mother cat's (GOD) will. It is picked up by the mother in her mouth and carried here and there..So the soul doesnt do anything..No effort on its part..GOD knows what to do and he just directs u..This is known as the marjara school of thought..

2) The second type of devotion is like the monkey and its baby..Also called the markata school of thought..Here the monkey clings to the mother tightly..It does not let the mother go..Similarly through steadfast devotion, we hold onto GOD..We dont leave him away..So we put the effort here..

Then finally Sriram said it is for us, that Adi Shankara in his Sivananda lahiri says about the third type of devotion..where we are like the monkey tied to a rope. The rope is held by the owner who is GOD. We tell him that "GOD, even though I luv u - I am not able to control my senses..I am not able to do anything by myself..So it is upto u to handle me"..and then GOD would take care of us..

So Sriram was telling that we should follow the third method, and GOD will take care of us..

Manaivi amaivathelam iraivan kodutha varamnu solluvanga..en vishayathula, GOD has been very kind to bestow me with a great friend who is also my spiritual guide..So nanbarkal amaivathum iraivan kodukum varam thaan :)..


Anonymous Shuba said...

Very true....Friends are our greatest assets....Nice spiritual thoughts....If i see the three types of now the second category....Kadavula overaa disturb panninudu iruken....Not everyone can be spiritual ....its a feeling too unique....thank god..we are all blessed with such a wonderful feeling......Arjun already once i saw Sreeram Mc Graw hill Publications and got tensed..ippo ippadi overaa hardwork panni innum niraya book elthuninga .....approm nalla irukkathu..sollitten....thank Sog naan chinna vayasuleye ellathayum padichutten or else i would be reading all your books also...ungalukku kadavul niraya moolai padachutttan..othukkaren ...aana mathavungalayum konjam yosichu paarunga....ethana authorkku saabam vitrukkennu enakku than teriyum...

1:53 AM, April 11, 2006  
Blogger Sattvic said...

Hi Gnana Kirukan:

I stopped by your blog two or three days ago when u had posted about humanity and research etc...Wanted to comment...but since I was busy with exams I thought I will post a comment later...Now when I come back and see your new post...what a surprise...I had jus listened to the three types of devotion in the Gita class this weekend and it was so nice to read about it so immediately and you are lucky as great friends are special gifts from God!

3:15 AM, April 11, 2006  
Blogger Sriram V Iyer said...

Dear All
I am no where near where Arjuna puts me. Just an average soul trotting along in this world.

Btw, millions of $s are not running on me :-) If it had, I would have quit working :-)

Then for Shuba's comment - Both Markata Kichora Nyaya and Marjara Kichora Nyaya are EXTREMES. Please forgive me if I am wrong, but it is almost impossible for normal humans to follow either of this path. So, I guess we should strive atleast to be in 3rd category. If people were in either of the first categories they would rather cling to God than reply to Blog postings :-)

Next to Shuba's curses / comments on me :-) You should see me to believe that these tall claims are wrong. Writing a book is not a big deal at all. Nor, does it require only an intellectual to write a book. :-)

I have enough troubles already.. would gladly do without more curses :-D

Btw, the discussion with Arjuna was based on the talk of Sri Sri Maha Periyaval (Sri Sri Chandrashekerendra Saraswati) of Kanchi Mutt.


11:58 AM, April 11, 2006  
Blogger Parvati said...

Neengalum seri, unga friendsgalum seri, romba chammaththaa irukkel.

Incidentally, it is ashtasahasram not ashtashastram, if you are speaking of a subsect in the Iyer caste.

12:55 PM, April 11, 2006  
Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said...

Yow :))..Second category-la iruntha ippo neenga enna mathri mutrum thurantha muni-ya ai-irupinga :))..

Shuba - neengalum Sriram-oda book-a vaangi padinga :P..Embedded systems puli aiduvinga..

Chinna Vayasulai ellam padichitingalae..etho pallu ponna kelavi mathri soluringa :))..

1:53 PM, April 11, 2006  
Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said...

Hi Sattvic,
My name is Arjuna :)..Thanks a lot for taking ur time inspite of ur exams and putting a comment in here..I checked out ur blog too..I am surprised to see a 25 yr old visiting Bhagwad Gita discourses :)..Amazing - keep it up :)

2:00 PM, April 11, 2006  
Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said...

Than adakathin Maru Uruvamae - nanmbarae Sriram :)..

Yow - paavam ya antha Shuba - She was happily thinking that she was following the second path - now u have spoilt her happiness :))..

Drogs - Shankaracharya vail-la irunthu vantha enna - un vayila irunthu vantha enna..both r same only ;)..Hara Hara Shankara :)

2:03 PM, April 11, 2006  
Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said...

Parvati - en friends list-la neengalum irukel :P lol

Yeah ashtasahasram - eppo paarthalum thaapave solindu iruken! :)

2:03 PM, April 11, 2006  
Blogger Jeevan said...

i like the first type of devotion. hope u had a great chat with sri ram.:)

5:39 PM, April 11, 2006  
Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said...

yes jeevan chatting to sriram is always great :)

6:20 PM, April 11, 2006  
Anonymous Shuba said...

Dear Sriram,

It was acasual posting hope it dint hurt you..if so iam really sorry.

7:33 PM, April 11, 2006  
Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said...

Yo shubha, no worries - Sriram is above all this! He is a reincarnation of Srila Prabhupada and the rightful heir to the Kamakoti Peetam :P lol

7:51 PM, April 11, 2006  
Anonymous Vidhyalakshmi said...

Sivanandha lahari kathukanum nu aasai………..aana adhukula job la settle aayitein.
Aana idhu vara kathukittadha ozhunga marakama irundhaale podhum nu ninaichu manasa thethikittein.
Job porathukku munnadi vara…… ennudaya schedule ----
Sunday- adhitya hrudayam, soundarya lahari
Monday to Thursday – Vishnu sahasra naamam
Friday – lalitha sahasra naamam
Saturday – Gayathri sahasra naamam
Daily – kandhar sashti kavasam ( never miss this , even office ku bus la pogum bothu kooda appadiye sollitu povein )
Enga ammave tension aayirukkaanga……..enga ponnu appadiye adhula aiykiya maayiduvaalo nu…
Ippadi vidaama pray pannitu irundhein. Aana ippo….. suthama time illa.
Ippo kooda en bag la Vishnu sahasra naamam book vachurukkein. Aana en PM paathaaru…avalavuthaan apparam enakku sahasra naama archana vizhum.
Aana sat and sun naan miss pannrathilla.

11:54 AM, April 18, 2006  
Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said...

Swamini Vidhya :P - ungal aasirvatham intha elai kai kulainthaiku thevai :P lol..

yow ippadiya swami kumbudivinga..Kalakaringa ponga :)..

9:04 PM, April 19, 2006  
Blogger Ramanathan said...

Naangal usa ile irukkom. Ippo nalaiku sivananda lahiri kekkaporom from Swami Shantanandaji. Engalukku enna acharyam ennu kettal athu innaiku inda blog-i vasikka kadaichuthu apoorvamaka. Ithra nalayittu naanga blog onnum paarkalai. Ellam daivathodu anugraham thaan. namaskarams

12:19 PM, March 11, 2007  

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